lisaj
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Post by lisaj on Mar 13, 2016 20:23:37 GMT
I have some concerns about what is EMS ROLE when in comes to caring for injured player/wrestler/runner when a Trainor insists on being involved? ?
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Post by timdodge on Mar 14, 2016 17:23:55 GMT
I would ask them if they have any medical training, If not I would push them aside and start patient care.
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Post by Matt W. on Mar 14, 2016 17:55:53 GMT
I would treat the trainer as if a physician is on scene and explain to them we have a set of written protocols to follow and continue with patient care. should the patient (if of age or legal guardian) wish for no treatment i would simply have them sign off and advise them like any other patient to not hesitate to call us back if they need to.
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Post by kathleenedgin on Mar 14, 2016 18:37:57 GMT
It depends.
Some schools will hire orthopedic specialists, some will hire physicians, and others will hire board certified trainers. In all cases, all personnel have CPR certifications and a background knowledge of first aid. In the cases of board certified trainers, they have spent years studying (college degree and additional accreditation).
I personally think that trainers are just as important as EMTS. I remember an incident in college playing softball where one of my teammates slid into home plate. She ended up breaking her leg as her cleat caught on the base. If the trainer wasn't there to start the stabilization process of the players leg, the girl would have had several additional minutes while waiting for the EMTs to arrive (and they were only 5 minutes up the street). The doctors at the hospital even said that she was lucky to have had the trainer on hand to at least immobilize the leg while they were waiting for the EMTs.
Most schools only have one trainer and if there are multiple events going on at multiple locations, it is always good to have EMTs available or on standby at a sporting event. The EMTs are not just there for the athletes, they also take care of the spectators, if need be.
I have done standbys at football games and every trainer that I have interacted with did not hesitate to step aside or assist as needed. As an EMT with the fire department I asked to meet with the Athletic Director to get a clear sense of what the school expected the from the standby crews and what we as EMTs expected of the school personnel, including any trainers that were present at the sporting event.
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Post by davidkennett on Mar 14, 2016 22:50:37 GMT
I have some concerns about what is EMS ROLE when in comes to caring for injured player/wrestler/runner when a Trainor insists on being involved? ? I would say the Being The EMT it is your scene and in charge. if the trainer insists on getting in your way ask them to leave and if they still get in the way have the removed from the scene. |
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Post by kaylawalker on Mar 15, 2016 1:16:23 GMT
When I was in college we had trainers on scene for all sporting events and very rarely had an ambulance doing standby for games so the trainer was the one doing all of the medical until the ambulance or fire department arrived. But they were good about getting out of the way and giving medical history, what happened, and what had been done medically at that point in time. But once you are called to the scene the patient is yours so you would have to treat the trainer as a normal citizen and ask them to get out of the way so you can do what you need to do.
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Post by jimdale on Mar 15, 2016 15:22:08 GMT
In my opinion there should never be a disagreement between medical personal on scene. remember pt. care. there is the posibility that there could be poor pt. care from a trainer or emt then it would be a good cause to perhaps suggest a better choice of care. most professional trainers are good at what they do and so are emt s
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Post by rod on Mar 15, 2016 23:56:31 GMT
I think the trainers should be the first to see the pt on the sports team as they have knowledge of the players condition prior to being injured I believe the emts should work alongside the trainer to assure the best possible outcome
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Post by jwalts07 on Mar 16, 2016 15:29:20 GMT
I believe trainers are great to have at sporting events. Of they are licensed and trained medical personell then they definitely know what they are doing. However at the same time as soon as we step on scene it becomes our jurisdiction. So we need to make form our own assessment after getting a report of what happened from him. Its just like being in the field of my a regular call where a nurse stops to help. I am all for the additional help if they are trained in what is required, how ever when we step on scene they no longer call the shots and sometimes they need to be reminded of that.
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Post by Dennis R on Mar 16, 2016 18:40:06 GMT
Not knowing the depth of the trainers knowledge and the injury I would question how they could help I would try to have help if they are able
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Post by kathleenedgin on Mar 16, 2016 19:31:28 GMT
I think one of the key things that we need to remember is that trainers are certified. While they may not be trained in Emergency Medicine, they are trained to deal with some injuries.
I agree that when EMTs arrive or are present that they call the shots. However, we can't discount their level of education and certification.. If the event has a doctor as a trainer, we aren't going to just push them aside because they are, at that moment, a trainer.. They are still a doctor even though they may be acting in the capacity of a trainer at the time of the incident.
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Post by sarahgamblin on Mar 20, 2016 14:28:40 GMT
I agree that once the EMTs arrive on scene, it is their responsibility to ensure proper care to the patient, however there it is important to remember the patient may have a lasting relationship with the trainer, so having the trainer on scene may serve to calm the patient down. If the trainer is preventing the EMT treatment, then maybe just stepping aside and asking them politely to take a back seat would make sure it doesn't interfere with how the patient perceives either health care provider.
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