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Post by Brad Ano on Feb 16, 2016 18:27:09 GMT
This is a 2 Part Question
1) I'm Curious as to what fellow EMS providers do to relax and unwind while not on duty. High Stress, Little Sleep, Bad Calls... The list goes on, in the everyday life of an EMS provider. Its very important to find something that helps us relax and unwind after a "normal" day of EMS.
2) Critical Incident Stress Management (CISM): is designed to help people deal with their trauma one incident at a time, by allowing them to talk about the incident when it happens without judgment or criticism. Most often utilized after High Stress, High emotion calls, however; can also be used on a per-provider case for anyone having a hard time with any situation. I have participated in a few of these group sessions after bad calls, The old philosophy of -suck it up- does not work, and I feel that the people that are part of the team are great people and go a great job. For me personally, Just being able to talk about a bad call that completely devastates you emotionally, felt like a weight being lifted. This is a service that is not utilized enough in my opinion. What is your opinion on CISM?
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Post by Brian Sweatman on Feb 16, 2016 20:15:27 GMT
I feel that the CISM is very unutilized from a Volunteer FD level. We offer the service out to members but I think they decline participating within CISM because they don't want to embarrassed. As far as the ambulance service, I have worked with many of them and it seems like staffing is tight and staff works 24, 48 or more hours back to back which takes a bunch out of you. Even though there is downtime, I don't feel that its healthy for them. With long hours and a "bad" call, it must take a stronger "emotional" hit on an individual. Also, there are people around the office you can talk to unlike the volunteer side which helps some.
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Post by kathleenedgin on Feb 17, 2016 15:48:11 GMT
I agree with Brian that CISM is under-utilized not just at the Fire Department level but also at the EMS level. I had attended a class, which ended up with me being a certified CISM team member and this was one of the topics of discussion.. Unfortunately, it is the stigma that surrounds seeking help (it is often seen as well in people who suffer from Depression), they are not utilizing the resources that can help as the stigma is that they are not strong enough or often they get told to "suck it up and deal with it".
I personally think CISM is an integral, albeit widely unknown, part of the Fire and EMS systems. The ability to talk to someone who may not have been at the call, and can provide an objective listening perspective is sometimes more effective and less stressful than just talking to your crew members who were also on the call.
Personally, I am always trying to relax and unwind by exercising and doing things that I love (hiking, biking, etc. in the spring/summer; skiing, skating, etc. in the winter). Also sometimes, for me the best way to relax is to travel to a new location and explore it. Sometimes it is something simple like hearing the laughter of my nephew and niece while splashing in puddles that provides a calming and sense of relaxation for me.
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Post by louannj59 on Feb 20, 2016 22:11:00 GMT
Our fire department usally sticks around after most calls and discuss with each other what we did , how we could do better, so if we do have a bad call most of our regular members are used to discussing calls, this helps me deal with our calls, I would not hesitate to call for CISM if I feel any of our members needs this.
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Post by toddc on Feb 22, 2016 18:21:18 GMT
I feel that CISM is an important but under utilized tool for both Fire and EMS. But, unfortunately, we are all "tough Guys and Gals" "we don't need that". In reality I think many people need it more than they realize. Many people are probably also afraid to say anything for fear of, for lack of a better term, "ball busting" We also critique calls after it is all over with. To discuss what we did correctly and what went wrong. Typically, after a bad/ugly incident, I try to leave all of that at the station. Obviously, that isn't possible but we all have our own outlets. Having a close knit team that you can share thoughts, concerns and feelings with, people you can confide in, without getting your "balls busted" is a huge part of people being able to admit that they are having issues dealing with incidents etc..
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Post by davidkennett on Feb 23, 2016 21:02:43 GMT
A few ways to unwind after a stressful day that find useful are:
1. simple talking to someone about your day and of course following HIPPA regulations. 2. Hit the gym or do some sort of exercise 3. Have hobbies
But never just do nothing.
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Post by Mark Nell on Feb 24, 2016 18:19:34 GMT
We also stick around the station and talk about different things, what was done, what could have gone better etc. I find that going to the gym , and/or going out for a run seems to clear my mind and wind down .
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Post by aldo on Feb 25, 2016 2:01:26 GMT
I feel cism is very useful when needed, I usually go to the gym, go outdoors, Anything go get your mind off the job. It can be very difficult though, especially when young kids are involved.
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Post by jtstallone on Feb 29, 2016 3:11:04 GMT
Being an emt at a volunteer fire department, I have a full time job in the engineering field so that takes takes my mind off of anything that occurs with the fire service but it does create its own stress. Biggest thing I do that relieves stress is exercise, followed by traveling and anything that gives you an adrenaline rush (skydiving, whitewater rafting, snowboarding).
I agree with some of the posts on this topic that the CISM is under utilized in the fire and EMS fields. I would say that the guys in my department are a close knit group and that we have no problem opening up to each other and discuss how certain calls went. A couple years back we had house fire that took the lives of two children and a young adult, there were some outside people such as the chaplain and some of the spouses that tried to talk to the responders about what happened at that house fire but was met with some resistance. Later that night, about 10 of us that went on the call got together at one of the members houses and for a couple hours just talked about what happened on the call. I think that helped out a lot of the guys get through with experiencing the deaths of those people because they were comforbatable opening up to close friends and people that went through the same experience as you did.
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Post by kathleenedgin on Feb 29, 2016 20:30:12 GMT
Being an emt at a volunteer fire department, I have a full time job in the engineering field so that takes takes my mind off of anything that occurs with the fire service but it does create its own stress. Biggest thing I do that relieves stress is exercise, followed by traveling and anything that gives you an adrenaline rush (skydiving, whitewater rafting, snowboarding). I agree with some of the posts on this topic that the CISM is under utilized in the fire and EMS fields. I would say that the guys in my department are a close knit group and that we have no problem opening up to each other and discuss how certain calls went. A couple years back we had house fire that took the lives of two children and a young adult, there were some outside people such as the chaplain and some of the spouses that tried to talk to the responders about what happened at that house fire but was met with some resistance. Later that night, about 10 of us that went on the call got together at one of the members houses and for a couple hours just talked about what happened on the call. I think that helped out a lot of the guys get through with experiencing the deaths of those people because they were comforbatable opening up to close friends and people that went through the same experience as you did. What you guys did on your own was a form of CISM. I think there are many people that would do the same thing, but at the same time, having the professionals there to catch the subtle clues that someone may need more than just a re-hash with the team. I feel that there are too many times when PTSD goes un-diagnosed and/or unrecognized in the fire and EMS service as a result of not being willing to sit with the trained professionals to discuss calls.
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Post by kategetman on Mar 1, 2016 21:55:46 GMT
I find that physical exercise is one of the greatest ways to blow of stress and steam after a frustrating calls. A lot of my calls involve unruly and rude patients under the influence of drugs and alcohol (Hamilton College) and some nights can be very frustrating and test my patience. In terms of call debriefing, we have a list of questions that what brought to our agency by a former member. These questions dive into the root of what was uncomfortable, how you feel about it, and what you could do better next time. I also think it's important during call review to talk about the positives. Staying on top of your own mental health improves your quality as a caregiver and helps prevent burnout.
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Post by kaylawalker on Mar 7, 2016 3:27:38 GMT
I think CISM can be very useful when used but is underutilized. There is a couple studies however that show that CISM is actually more harmful and can actually lead to more PTSD symptoms. These have been heavily disputed by many mental health groups. I guess ultimately you need to know what works best for you to cope with issues because everyone reacts differently. However you can't just ignore the tough calls because they will eventually catch up with you and cause you to become burned out.
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Post by bfrett on Mar 8, 2016 22:23:03 GMT
I find that after a stressful call, getting some exercise is the best way for me to unwind. Even a 10 minute run can be very effective as a stress reliever, and as a way to the blood flowing. As far as CISM goes, I find that the Hamilton uses a very effective method of call debrief. We use the "what?", "so what?", "now what" method. I find that it is very useful for getting to the root of why a call was stressful, and developing specific ways to cope, learn, and grow from the call. This is a method often used in outdoor leadership settings as well.
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Post by lisaj on Mar 13, 2016 20:37:25 GMT
I feel CISM is definitely not utilized enough. Also have wondered if it's considered appropriate for EMS providers who were at the incident, is it appropriate to go to the wake/services for the patient /victim? Is there any HIPPA issues with it?
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Post by rod on Mar 16, 2016 0:07:54 GMT
having hobbies outside of ems is crucial to being able to de-stress I do believe cism is good and can be a great help to not only the ems crew but also to the firemen that respond for support on the scene for some of the younger members it could be the first time seeing a "bad call" I also believe the "seasoned" emts should offer support and an ear to listen to the "new" emts and firemen and try and guide them
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